The .243 Win. 6.5 Creedmoor vs 223. It's also 1000 yard capable, and has low recoil , lower than the .260 Rem. Vs. .243 Win. what i find funny is a 22 cal. I like having the extra power and range for medium-sized animals, and I don’t see much downside for varmint hunting. A deer shot through the lungs with either of these light bullets isn’t going to shake it off and walk home for dinner. Make no mistake the 223 will DRT any deer with proper shot placement and shot placement above all things takes game. You didn’t have to pull my arm out of it’s socket for that solution. That extends the maximum effective range all the way to 350 yards, depending on your velocity at the muzzle. I shot lots of 223, but not the 243 and I am interested in recoil and noise. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." A 243 is a .308 case necked down to .243 I have seen the splash in my scope many times with both but the .243 has more recoil. Velocity. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). I guess I’ll just have to own both. 204 vs 223 vs 22-250 vs 243. Ballistics, as they say, are king, so I’m giving the ultimate nod to the .243 Win. As illustrated in the chart, .223 Remington rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3150 feet per second (fps) while .243 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 3180 fps. 22-250 is almost twice the price of the 223 ammo. Federal’s 85-grain Trophy Copper also has a minimum velocity of 1,800 fps, and it’s still cooking along at that speed well past 500 yards. I am a short action fan and would not reccomend the .270 for a woman. A 243 has more powder, 25 gr 223 vs ~38-40 for 243. Big bucks, land management, rut reports, and tips for the whitetail obsessed. If you're looking for a cheap shooting round to acclimate you to shooting, the .223 is cheap, and the .22LR is cheaper yet. The .243 Win. For just a little bit more recoil though, the 243 maintains deer-relevant energy much further than both the 300 Blackout and 223. Campfire Guide. We offer a 100% Authenticity Guarantee on all products sold on our website. As to just target shooting,both are equally accurate at that range but .243 costs more to shoot. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. wins the availability battle. If you want to go to a 6.5 eventually start there, use the money for a 223 and put it toward reloading components or ammo. .223 vs .243 The .223 is going to be easier on wallet and recoil less. So the .223 and .243 are very different cartridges. 6mm-223 (75 at 2950) 7.5: 4.6: 0: 6mm Norma BR (95 at 2914) 8.5: 5.9: 6.7: … There seem to be a never ending discussion about what caliber is the best and what weapon to use, especially when it comes to hunting. When it comes to availability, it’s always good to bet on the NATO caliber. The .243 Winchester is simply the .308 Winchester necked down to hold .243″ diameter bullets. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. Step down to an 80-grain bullet in the 243 at 3,400 fps and recoil drops to 11 f-p at 10 fps. The .223 is a smaller bullet not just in size but, a good deal in weight and does not have the range or power that the .243 has. There’s no shame in admitting and owning this. I'm looking for a caliber that can reach out to 500 yards when needed and touch a varmint. The .223 is a great varmint round and is cheaper to shoot that the .243 Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .223 Remington round averages out to 1250 ft-lb, while a .243 Winchester round averages out to about 1950 ft-lb. vs. .30-06 Springfield Three of the most revered deer-hunting rounds in a head-to-head-to-head comparison By Ron Spomer Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. +1 223 has no recoil I may be wrong because only 243 I've ever fired was loud as hell and booted like hell bit it was a … It's also 1000 yard capable, and has low recoil , lower than the .260 Rem. Re: 223 vs 243 vs 270 by duncan61 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:05 pm Ive never shot a 270 but I have shot the 30/06.The ballistics are nearly at 7mm rem so Its got some go Here’s a look at three of the best. Recoil is the downfall of many shooters, men as well as women, adults as well as kids, heavyweights as well as lightweights. Vs. .22-250 Rem. I’d call action availability a draw. I would say the 223 is an experts caliber. The 223 is not legal for hunting in many states. cartridges as “available” to order online: the 53-grain Varmint and Predator and the 69 grain Gold Medal Match. by contrast achieves only about 1,400 foot-pounds of energy by throwing a 75-grain projectile 2,900 fps. Barnes lists 12 bullet weights commercially available for .243 Win., ranging from a 55-grain boat tail to a 105-grain hollow-point boat tail. Shot placement has to be surgically precise with a 223 on deer sized game and a 243 with good bullets is a lot more forgiving. Equally important to the gun you choose is a good scope with sufficient eye relief. The major difference deals less with size and more with pressure. What does the recoil of a 25-06 compare to? As Chuck Hawks notes in his great recoil table, the .223 Rem. As I’ve stated before: the .223 Remington and .308 Winchester are both solid rifle cartridges. Don't discount the .243 Winchester as a long range cartridge. Inside the gun community there are always talks about which is the better caliber, such as .308 vs the .243 or 9mm against the .45 ACP. Both the .22-250 and .220 Swift are very flat shooting, retain more kinetic energy, and have less wind drift than the .204 Ruger and .223 Remington. The .243 Win. The .223 was also chambered in many bolt-action hunting rifles, showing fine accuracy. can’t kill a deer past 220 yards. As such, the following is for comparative information purposes only and should not be used to make precise predictions of the trajectory, performance, or true ballistics of any particular .223 Remington or .243 Winchester rounds for hunting, target shooting, plinking, or any other usage. is the obvious winner. As I’ve stated before: the .223 Remington and .308 Winchester are both solid rifle cartridges. .223 recoil is about 3 or 4 pounds,.243 is around 8.5 to 11, and 30/30 is about 10 to 12. If you’re up for … is the obvious winner. The .223 performance. 22-250 vs 223 vs 204 Ruger vs 220 Swift: Ammunition Selection I've fired both and the 22-250 typically has more recoil because I shoot faster loads in it. A .223 will hammer deer with the right pill, but a .243 will hammer even harder with the right bullet. [Re: new2turkey] ARCOREY Die Hard Member with a vengeance Registered: 12/27/05 Posts: 4839 Loc: USA If in doubt, get a Simms slip on recoil pad for him and have at it. has slightly less range in terms of bullet weights (40 grain to 75 grain), but it covers basically the same ground. The .243 Win. Comparing both cartridges in 7.5 pound rifles, the .223 firing a 62 grain bullet at a 3,020 fps. Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. With a brake you won't have any ill effects due to recoil on the 6.5. 243 Winchester vs. 30-30 Win. ... 243 Win. In 2020, .243 Win. I like that .243 has substantially more ft. lbs of energy. That’s still not a heck of a lot to start with and it helps make this round a great recoil-sensitive, range-limited rifle round. cartridges are currently listed as available. This post was edited on 1/12 at 5:32 pm This round is a modification of the .308 Winchester . Back to top #3 Glen Glen. It’s better suited for varmint hunting than big game hunting, but a 62-grain Fusion or even a 55-grain Trophy Copper would reliably take down a whitetail given proper shot placement. I’m not saying your .243 Win. A lot of factors go into the actual “felt recoil” that we can’t put numbers on for comparison. By contrast, six of Federal’s 17 .243 Win. bullet weight, rifle weight, barrel length, barrel twist, barrel wear, angle of stock, etc.) You can find lever, bolt, and semi-auto rifles chambered in both actions. are identical, the .223 will have slightly less recoil because of the lower powder weight for a given velocity. It even has over 14% more energy than 300 Blackout, 15% more than 30-30 Win, and 49% more than .223 Rem. My wife has no trouble managing the .243 recoil and many friend's/relative's wives and kids own and use a 243 for deer hunting. This is usually achieved by determining the maximum range at which a bullet has retained enough velocity to fully expand. Above that recoil becomes increasingly intrusive. The recoil kinetic energy figures below are taken from the Rifle Recoil Table and the Shotgun Recoil Table. A 243 is a.308 case necked down to.243 I have seen the splash in my scope many times with both but the.243 has more recoil. Of the cartridges designed to work in standard AR15 rifles the 6.5 Grendel or some variant of the 6.8's are the only ones that really improve on 223 ballistics. MN. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. Still, recoil can be daunting for newcomers to the sport and might play a role in the decision-making process. Every major manufacturer makes a bolt gun in both calibers, so that’s not a distinguishing factor. Campfire Guide. Can kill a deer on the spot but you cant hunt with them. 223 and use a Barnes for the deer. The recoil of the .308 could reduce accuracy for novice shooters compared to a .243. If you’re looking for a semi-auto, you’ll likely have better luck finding a .223 Rem., but lots of companies chamber semi-auto guns in .243 Win. Go with the .223 Remington as the recoil that cartridge produces is virtually non-existant. Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 2.045" Width: 0.473" Average FPS: 3179 Average Energy: 1952 Average Gr: 87 Recoil: 1.25 Power Rank: 2.77 of 20 . In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. Recoil. Use anything from 55gr pills for the small stuff up to 95gr pills which are hard hitting for bigger things. Some have reported taking bears or elk, but at that point, you might be pushing it. The .260 is less recoil than the .308, and is 1000 yard capable. Theoretically, if all other variables (e.g. But you're still talking about 10-11 ft lbs of recoil, which isn't much. I have to ask however if you are ever going to decide to hunt with it? Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by browning308, Feb 10, 2011. Some prefer higher caliber weapons, while some prefer smaller ones, with less recoil and better aim. For more detailed ballistics information please refer to the exact round in question or contact the manufacturer for the pertinent information. If you've shot one before, you know how effective the .243 is when it comes to taking down deer. Note that the most powerful shotgun loads generate recoil comparable to elephant rifle cartridges. wins hands-down. It was developed in 1957 for an experimental rifle known as the AR-15. can push a 75-grain projectile about 3,300 feet per second at the muzzle and achieves about 1,800 foot-pounds of energy. Your best bet would be a bolt action 223 since ammo is so prevelent and inexpensive, compare prices of 223 and 22-250 and you'll see what i mean. The majority of the cartridges use bullets ranging from 85 to 105 grain, and Federal’s offerings follow that trend. Not a huge difference, but more than enough for many shooters. can maintain enough velocity to take varmint and medium-sized game out to 250 yards, or the distance at which the bullet is still travelling about 2,300 fps, according to Frank C. Barnes’ “Cartridges of the World.” But that range doesn’t apply to every bullet. 223 and use a Barnes for the deer. The .223 Rem. Don't discount the .243 Winchester as a long range cartridge. Coyote Cartridges: .223 Rem. I like that .223 is not as overbore as .243. It’s true that bullet construction and shot placement will kill an animal more effectively than poor shooting with a huge caliber. As Chuck Hawks notes in his great recoil table, the .223 Rem. Donald Trump wasn't elected president in spite of who he is and how he acts, he was elected precisely because of who is and how he acts. Recoil of the 350 Legend will be almost exactly the same as 243. , Comments have to be approved before showing up, © 2021 Foundry Outdoors - All Rights Reserved, Product successfully added to your Shopping Cart, 223 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 243 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 25 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 300 RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, 7mm RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester Ammo Comparison - Ballistics Info & Chart. When it comes to Remington rifle, one of the most discussed issue is the use of .22-250 or .223 caliber. The .308—a fine design in and of itself—has been responsible for a number of successful cartridges, but the .243 has to be the most successful. Fire a 120-grain in the 7mm-08 at 3100 fps to get 17.5 f-p at 12.7 fps. The AR-15 chambered in .223 Rem. I have 2 of them for both of my girls, and neither has a problem with recoil. Re: .243 & 7mm-08, recoil difference...how much? Just make sure your gun is … is a necked-down .308 Win., so it holds nearly twice as much powder as the .223 Rem. The .223 Rem. I wouldn't worry about it. True “knock-down power” depends on your bullet’s construction and minimum velocity, your cartridge, and your barrel length. Posts: 3,239. Fishing. If you only want to get to 600 a 223 can do it but so could the ar you already have. 67 posts • Page 1 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. for about 30 cents per round, now you’ll be lucky to find anything in stock below 60 cents. The .223 Remington wins over the .222 and its larger rival, the .22-250 in good ballistics with the minimum of powder and maximum efficiency. Ballistically speaking, these calibers would be cousins rather than brothers. double in price. Since this year is such an anomaly (I hope), I’m going to give the overall nod in this category to the .223 Rem. Generally speaking, the higher the muzzle energy, the higher the stopping power. Capable of using the same bullets that the .22-250 and .220 Swift were pushing, the .223 gave a respectable and useable trajectory, with less recoil, in a smaller package. For this reason, we are going to spend a little time discussing it in the context of the 6.5 Creedmoor vs .243. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester ammo rounds. Get the 243. Joined: Feb 10, 2011 Messages: 31. would be the clear winner. The .260 is less recoil than the .308, and is 1000 yard capable. So a .223 Remington round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 1250 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .243 Winchester round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 1950 pounds over the same one foot distance. It does make some noise and does recoil more than a "little" .223 but it can reach out and touch someone (some varmint) way better than the .223. hans471, Feb 11, 2011 #6. mc223 Member. 22=250's CAN burn out a barrel faster than a 223 will, depending on the velocity of ammo used, and frequency of use. Such as my state of Washington requires .24 caliber/6mm minimum. If you're looking for a cheap shooting round to acclimate you to shooting, the .223 is cheap, and the .22LR is cheaper yet. 64-grain: 3.3 foot pounds: 5.1 fps Fire any of the above in a heavier rifle and all felt recoil goes down. It’s a small-to-medium sized game caliber whose primary use has been taking down four-legged rather than two-legged critters. They help a good bit and are easily removed. In my opinion, I would stay away from getting a bull barrel for a kid. Oct 19, 2020 #13 wins in a landslide. 95-grain: 9 foot pounds: 8.5 fps: 223 Rem. This is enough difference and enough recoil for the .308 to throw off shots during the pull. The .243 Winchester is a round used to hunt deer and similar sized animals, some people use it on larger animals but it really isn't made for anything much bigger than a deer. RE: Recoil .223 VS .243 i had the same delema years back,wanted a 223 for predators but realised this cartridge wasn't good for deer.went with the 243 and love it.its fun to shoot(all day if need be)and there realy is no recoil to speak of.i can watch the bullet hit its intended target thru the scope every time,if the 243 had major recoil this wouldn't be possible. #2012083 - 10/04/11 09:00 PM Re: recoil comparison of a .223 and a .243? As a rule of thumb, when it comes to hunting, muzzle energy is what many hunters look at when deciding on what caliber of firearm / ammunition to select. #3350940 10/01/09: Joined: Mar 2008. In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. First off, debate of this topic can get fairly heated, but for safety’s sake it is wise to shoot only .223 rounds out of a .223 barrel and likewise with the 5.56. And can feel the difference in recoil between premium LE ammo, same weight, in .223 vs 5.56. That is to say, .223 Remington bullets travel 3.6 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .243 Winchester bullets travel 3.6 times that same speed. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. The 243 has more recoil than either 223 or 22-250. Too bad we're not allowed silencers like in UK. head shots, and be very picky about what bullet..243 offers way more ammo choices for deer and a bit more energy for the marginal shot. produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. The recoil in a properly set up rifle would be comfortable enough for a youngster. Federal lists only two .223 Rem. Both the .22-250 and .220 Swift are very flat shooting, retain more kinetic energy, and have less wind drift than the .204 Ruger and .223 Remington. Away from getting 223 vs 243 recoil bull barrel for a caliber that can reach out to 500 yards when needed touch. We are going to spend a little bit more recoil than the 223 243! 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